I am very interested in the story of Adam and Eve, because through objective theological logic we are able to debunk the Bible. In only 3 chapters, 80 verses, and 2,276 words of Genesis, the credibility that the Bible will lead us to salvation is therefore false. To compound this thought the Quran and Torah also are debunked since they all share the same creation story. Since these can be proven as falsehoods;  there is no need to continue the wars of separate beliefs. Further more the millions of people who died in the name of God; died for nothing.

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” (Genesis 1:26) Verse 26 the word “our” is used, this is speaking in a plural sense. If we look at it in a plural sense we can only draw two conclusions; either A.) it is referring to angels, or B.) there are multiple “gods.” I would gather they were speaking of angels, since Genesis starts out with “In the beginning God created heaven and earth.” If this is the case I wonder why there is no mention to the lives and events of the angels. It would also mean man was not Gods first attempt at creating creatures. It is possible it meant there were multiple gods, since the Bible is riddled with references of God being a jealous god and warning against worshipping false idols.  

 “So God created man in his own image,  in the image of God.” (Genesis 1:27) This verse is says He created man in his image, and prior used likeness. This draws on the question; if we are created in His likeness, and man is filled with hate, greed, murder, chaos, and a ton of other bad shit, then God would possess this as well. If god possesses these traits then he cannot be omnibenevolence. This is not the only example which calls into question Gods omnibenevolence. He would not have created evil, knowing the horrible things evil brings. There would not be a hell, because he would never allow suffering.

It is in the rest of the story we discover undeniable proof the Bible is false. God is omniscience, and has the ability of omnipresence. God created man, and loved him unconditionally. He created Eden, and placed upon it the tree of knowledge, and the tree of life. If God has the capacity to know everything infinitely, then he was aware prior to even creating man the result would be them getting cast out of Eden. The result of man being cast out of Eden created everything that has happened past, present, and future. History has to many examples of unspeakable suffering. We have war, disease, pestilence, and genocide. Why would God go through with all of this knowing such things? 

The other question comes with the trees placed in the Garden of Eden. Why place the tree of knowledge, knowing Adam and Eve would eat from it? Why create the serpent which tempted them to eat said fruit? In chapter 3 verses 8-11, God comes to the garden, and Adam and Eve go into hiding. He was unable to find them so he had to call out. He seemed confused on why they were naked. It was Adam’s response of shame which prompted him to ask if they ate the fruit. If God were omnipresence he would have been there when they ate the fruit. If he knew he would have busted into the garden, and said “what did I tell you little fuckers about eating my fruit!”

The tree of knowledge adds one more question. If they ate of the tree of knowledge and gained infinite knowledge… why do we still have dumb and ignorant people in this world? Why did it take thousands of years to create electricity? If they gained all the knowledge on good and evil, then we would have the capacity to understand evil is bad, and good is good. If knew good was good, and preferable over evil, then mankind would never choose to be evil. The only way around this since we are created in Gods image and likeness then God is incapable of being inheritable good, which would mean he is also evil.

Remember the principle of the secluded middle says something either exists or it does not exist. In our examination of the Alpha and Omega concepts, we can only conclude God is incapable of existence. He could not have created man, and cannot possess any “omni” qualities; since he in logic does not exist.

We all walk separate spiritual paths; all leading to the same destination.

So lets stop wars and killings in the name of “God.”

I encourage anyone to challenge my thinking.

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  1. johanna says:

    I will try to respond to a few points: All humans were created in God’s image. Our souls are the part of us made in the image of God. Before Adam and Eve sinned, they were free from sin, corruption, and the propensity to sin. It was only after the sin of Adam and Eve that human’s were to suffer the ills we human s must suffer now. God tested the Angels and God tested humans. In both instances, it was pride that brought the fall of Satan and Man.

    Why would God test his creatures? He did so because he gave angels and humans free will. He didn’t want robots. He wanted us to love by our own free will. (After all, what good is a gift that your forced someone to buy for you?) God knows all but allows all things to happen for good in the end.

    You cannot possibly even begin to understand the plans of God. God is all knowing, something we are not. I know you don’t like it, but because we cannot, in our human minds even begin to fathom God, we must have faith. Blind Faith. In order to achieve this, one must put aside pride. Obviously, easier said than done.

    God was not confused and God did know Adam and Eve had sinned. He wanted Adam to admit to him what he had done. Don’t you ever ask your kids, “Who messed up this room?” when you already know who it was?

    To conclude, I cannot imagine life without knowing that there was a God who loved me with a perfect love, a love uncorrupted by human experience. God doesn’t love me less because he’s in a bad mood, or had a shitty day at work. God doesn’t love me less because I’m annoying, ugly, or fat. God does not love me in a flawed manner like my family and friends do. God can love perfectly. Something we’ve never experienced here on Earth. I cannot imagine my life without knowing that there wasn’t something better, something beautiful after this one. All the things we do here on Earth DO matter. Eye has seen, nor ear has heard what God has planned for those who love him.

    • Tim Lundmark says:

      Johanna,

      I thought you would have been offended when I did these two posts, and was concerned you would stop reading. Free will is used to answer the questions I put forth in my post. You can not dismiss the truth behind my words. It is hard for Christians or any other religious beliefs to objectively look at their beliefs. Using free will as an explanation for the holes in the creation story is to ignore what is in front of you.

      When believers resort to blind faith they become blind to the truth.
      I admire religious followers for their blind faith. To be able to believe in something with such dedication, regardless of objective reasoning is amazing. I have no issue with other peoples believes as long as it does not create hate, war, and destruction.

      When I think of faith it reminds me of a Karl Marx’s quote:

      “Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.”
      Karl Marx

  2. johanna says:

    Sorry, Eye has not seen….

  3. The original sin was anal intercourse. Oh yes, I am serious. Very serious. For the exegesis, google “Robert Hagedorn’s Blogs” and read the 21 posts. You won’t like what you read. So there must be something wrong with the exegesis. Here’s the challenge to us all: what’s wrong with this very offensive exegesis?

    • Tim Lundmark says:

      Is your reasoning behind the claim that anal sex was the original sin, based on revealed exegesis or rational exegesis? If you are basing this theory on revealed exegesis you cannot deny the original sin would be Eve eating from the tree of knowledge. You could go back to the angels and say when Lucifer went against God; this could be considered the “original” sin. If you deny these points then you would need to look at Adam and Eves first child, he could be considered the original sin since man is born into sin. If you deny this then you have many examples of sin prior to Sodom and Gomorrah.
      If you are viewing this through rational exegesis you are viewing it as the text was written by man. If this is so you would be forced to view the points I made above.
      In spite of these facts, and the claim anal sex, or homosexuality is condemned by god is an outlandish statement. What was happening in Sodom and Gomorrah went far deeper than just the act of homosexuality. People are born gay they do not become gay; to think God would create humans with the sole attempt of knowing their souls were doomed is crazy.

  4. johanna says:

    So you are an exegete? And what gives you this authority? You are the one who interpreted this “poem”. It is your exegisis that is flawed.

  5. johanna says:

    I hardly think I am following something “regardless of objective reasoning”. Many fine men with far more intelligent minds than yours or mine (The early church fathers) have written books that explain all of your concerns or “holes” in the Bible. Look at the writings of Jerome, Augustine, Ignatius, Polycarp, Tertullian, and Clement. Really. Try reading what they have written. Let me know what you think. If you have such a strong belief that the bible is based on a lie, then shouldn’t you strengthen your argument by learning more about what the people who originally interpreted the bible actually wrote?

    And, I don’t stop reading what people write just because they do not believe as I do. Bottom line, God wants us to love one another. I wish you’d stop trying to analyze everything. I think you make yourself miserable trying to figure out the problems of the world by yourself. Maybe some things are not meant to be understood. Can’t you be at peace not knowing everything?

    • Tim Lundmark says:

      Thank you for the reading referal. I will read their stuff over the weekend. Perhaps I will find the elusive truth. We are meant to foster peace and fix the problems of the world. If we are unable or unwilling to discover the problems we are unable to fix them. We have one chance to make a difference and improve the lives of our fellow man. I could not enter into the unknown if I knew I did not do everything in my power to create peace and harmony. The ironic side is my posts to logically disprove the existence of god, does the opposite of creating unity, because it offends those who believe. I suppose I am a walking contradiction.

  6. johanna says:

    You haven’t offended me. I just think you have your heart in the right place. You want to do good things through your bucked list foundation, you try to do right by your wife and kids, and I’m sure you try the best you can to go on when it’s very difficult for you…Keep doing what you do. What you do, the actions you make, are what is important. You are driven to make this world a better place. I would say this is God’s grace working in you. If you knew this and believed that God actually cared for you, maybe you wouldn’t feel so unloveable, and loathesome.

  7. hey whats your myspace page.

  8. Ali says:

    Hi,

    I don’t know if I should be happy or sad when I come across people as yourself, who have the courage to question the “dogmas” and “doctrine” of the Holy Word… but don’t go a step further and venture out in the realm of other religion/ideologies/school of thought.

    I am very keen to present you my (our) ideology and point of view of what my belief system is.

    If you are really a seeker of truth, then please don’t stop at just the “questioning” of beliefs, but try to seek the truth in other places…

    The reason why I don’t want to post what I have to say is:
    1. See if you want to know and find out the truth, and will contact me
    2. This might come off as being haughty, but honestly I am not. It’s just that I don’t want people with no real background knowledge leaving unnecessary remarks on what I have to say

    Email me :
    deadredburning@aim.com

  9. stouterkie says:

    you are right..and then you are wrong! the religions of this earth was cunningly created by those who are after power, domination and wealth. The real creator does exist and you have no Idea!

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