Posts Tagged ‘Quran’

“If there is a God, the phrase that must disgust him is – holy war.”
Steve Allen

Would a Holy War really disgust God, or would he smile in approval? I suppose this may depend upon which God you believe in. I know with certainty that Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taoism would never teach nor condone a Holy War of any sort. This does not mean they have never known war, because the east has known many, but none of these wars to my knowledge were based off the notion their religious beliefs dictated them to go to such a war. I think this is a bit different when it comes to Christianity or the Muslim faiths.

I was talking religion with my dad awhile back, and the topic of the Quran came up, and he went on and on about how the Quran promotes violence and the killing of infidels. I immediately disagreed with him. I told him the Quran teaches peace, it is just misread by the extremists. We went back and forth on this topic and finally I told him I would read the Quran and prove him wrong. I have read various different religious texts but for some reason I have never given the Quran a detailed look. I figured this would be a great learning experience for me. I think I may have bitten off a little more than I could chew!

I kept putting this chore off because I was a bit intimidated by this daunting task I had just committed to. When I had a free minute here or there I would pick it up and skim through it. Although I must admit I couldn’t really get into it all that much. The reading was rather dry, kind of like the Old Testament. I could not put my full attention into the reading. Through the brief reading I did, I must say I found some evidence of the Quran promoting violence. These scriptures are not that vague, as to be completely misunderstood, in fact they are rather to the point.

 “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” Quran 4:74

“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” Quran 8:12

 “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”Quran 8:57

“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.” Quran 9:123

In my research I had found a total of 109 verses in the Quran calling Muslims to war against non-believers. I am certain if you read these verses and considered them in the historical context of the writings, these verses may mean something completely different. This however is not the point, what matters is how current day Muslims would consider these, and many other verses, would apply today. This then got me thinking about Christians and their stance on war against non-believers. The Bible is just as guilty as the Quran, as it promotes violence against those who believe differently. I included some verses I have come across in the Bible. I know Trey (The Rambling Taoist) could offer many other examples.

“The LORD said to Moses, “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”  So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD’s vengeance on them.” Numbers Chapter 31 Verse 1-3

“The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.” Exodus 15:3

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. Luke 19:26-27 **Note this was Jesus speaking**

Also, in Deuteronomy Chapter 13 verses 6-16, God is instructing his believers to go out on a murdering spree killing all those who worship any one but him. The verse is rather long, so if you are interested I encourage you to check it out. I think within these few verses you get the feeling that both the Bible and the Quran do not always teach peace. Both God and Allah are jealous and vengeful towards those who believe differently. In the wrong hands these few verses can and do lead to “justifiable” Holy Wars. I am not sure I believe the God of the Quran or the God of the Bible would be disgusted with a Holy War, possibly they would encourage one if it meant that in the end the survivors believed in Him and Him alone.

 

Sorry for the repost

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About a month ago I unexpectedly received an e-mail from a site called “God Thoughts Wired.” I am a member of www.Biblestudytools.com, this is where I go whenever I sit back and read the Bible. It’s a great resource because they have every version of the Bible, and have a nice tool where you can compare different versions side-by-side. The interesting thing about doing this is you can see the subtle changes made through time, which ends up tainting the original meaning, but I digress. When I signed up for this site I made sure I unchecked all those boxes to ensure I did not receive any un-wanted e-mails from them. Armed with this knowledge I was a bit confused why and how I started to receive these e-mails. I can never resist some good theological talk so I eagerly opened them and I have enjoyed what I have been reading since. I am not saying I enjoyed them as in I agreed with what this guy was saying; I enjoyed them because at times these e-mails would really get me going to the point where I am talking to myself in my office. I am sure passersby’s wondered what was going on when I blurted out “are you kidding me!”

With every e-mail received I was taken on a roller coaster ride from being inspired to being frustrated with anger. I really wanted to find a way to communicate with the mastermind behind all of this because his points and messages at times are completely insane, but there are some other times where he seems so right. This though is not my concern for this post; my concern lies in how these e-mails came to be. My guess would be one of my Christian readers signed me up for this mailing list in the hopes I could be converted, or perhaps one day I will read one of his messages and a light will go off in my head and all of a sudden I am saved. I must admit now that in reading these e-mails I have had some light bulb moments causing me to think I am on the wrong path, and in some his points are so… well Christian.

I am not going to go into detail on these e-mails because frankly I am constructing some posts based off said e-mails. I just want to thank whom ever out there signed me up for these wonderful e-mails. I thoroughly enjoy reading them when they come. I haven’t gotten a new one since the seventeenth so I am kind of disappointed. These e-mails are thought provoking, and yes I must admit at times are rousing. There have been a few I have gotten where I had to immediately go to my Bible or the Quran to follow up on some reading to ensure the message I was receiving was based on fact. I love the Bible and I love getting lost in scripture. I may not believe but I do feel a sense of something when I read the Word, but I also get this feeling from reading other religious doctrines.

I want to thank you Christian Ninja for turning my mind and thoughts onto this site. I hope to create some intriguing posts based off the information this pastor is spreading through the World Wide Web.